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  • So the wall will get built,
  • but we may not, we may not have an agreement today.
  • We probably won't.
  • But we have an agreement on other things
  • that are really good.
  • Nancy, would you like to say something?
  • -Oh, thank you Mister President
  • for the opportunity to meet with you,
  • so that we can work together in a bipartisan way
  • to meet the needs of the American people.
  • I think the American people recognize
  • that we must keep government open.
  • That a shutdown is not worth anything.
  • And that you should not have a Trump shutdown.
  • You have the White House -- -A what?
  • You said Trump?
  • -A Trump shutdown. -Oh.
  • -You have the White House.
  • -Now it's gonna go all over the place.
  • -You have the Senate.
  • You have the house of Representatives.
  • You have the votes. You should pass it right now.
  • -No, we don't have the votes, Nancy,
  • because in the Senate we need 60 votes.
  • -No, no, but in the House. -And we don't have --
  • -And you could bring it up right now today--
  • -Yeah, but I can't -- excuse me.
  • But I can't get it passed in the House if it's not gonna pass
  • in the Senate, I don't want to waste time.
  • -Well, the fact is you can get it started that way.
  • -The House we could get passed very easily and we do.
  • -Okay, then do it. -But the problem is the Senate,
  • because we need 10 Democrats to vote and they won't vote.
  • -That's not the point, Mister President.
  • The point is, is that their equity is to be weighed.
  • And we're here to have a conversation the careful way,
  • so I don't think we should have a debate
  • in front of the Press on this.
  • But, the fact is the Senate -- the House Republicans
  • could bring up this bill if they had the votes,
  • immediately and set the town for what you want.
  • -If we thought we were gonna get it passed in the Senate,
  • Nancy, we would do it immediately.
  • We'd get it passed very easily in the House.
  • -No, that's not the point.
  • -Nancy, I'd have it passed in two seconds.
  • It doesn't matter though,
  • because we can't get it passed in the Senate
  • because we need 10 Democrat votes.
  • That's the problem.
  • -Again, let us have our conversation
  • and then we can meet with the Press again,
  • but the fact is is that legislating,
  • which is what we do, you begin, you make your point,
  • you state your case, that's what the House
  • of Republicans could do, if they had the votes.
  • But there are no votes in the House,
  • majority votes for a wall. No matter where you start.
  • -That's exactly right, you don't have the votes.
  • -You don't have the votes. -If I needed the votes
  • for the wall in the House, I would have them
  • in one session, it would be done.
  • -Well then, go do it. -It doesn't help
  • because we need 10 Democrats in the Senate.
  • -No, don't put it on the Senate, put it on the negotiation.
  • -Okay, let me ask you this,
  • and we're doing this in a very friendly manner.
  • It doesn't help for me to take a vote in the House,
  • where I will win easily with the Republicans.
  • -It will not win. -It doesn't help
  • to take that vote,
  • because I'm not gonna get the vote of the Senate,
  • I need 10 Senators, that's the problem.
  • -Mister President, you have the White House,
  • you have the Senate, you have the House of Representatives --
  • -I have the White House, the White House is done.
  • And the House would give me the vote if I wanted it.
  • But I can't because I need, Nancy,
  • I need 10 votes from Chuck.
  • -Mister President let me say something here.
  • -Mister President, let me undermi--
  • let me just say one thing. -All right.
  • -The fact is you do not have the votes in the House.
  • -Nancy, I do. And we need border security.
  • -Let's take the vote and we'll find out.
  • -Nancy, we need border security, it's very simple.
  • -Of course we do. -We need border security.
  • People are pouring into our country, including terrorists.
  • We have terrorists.
  • We have caught 10 terrorists over the last --
  • very short period of time.
  • Ten! These are very serious people.
  • Our border agents,
  • all of our law enforcement has been incredible,
  • what they've done, but we caught 10 terrorists.
  • These are people that were looking to do harm.
  • We need the wall.
  • We need -- more important than anything --
  • we need border security of which the wall is just a piece.
  • But it's important, Chuck, did you want to say something?
  • -Yeah, here's what I want to say.
  • We have a lot of disagreements here.
  • The Washington Post today,
  • gave you a whole lot of Pinocchios
  • because they say you constantly mis-state
  • how much the wall is -- how much of the wall is built
  • and how much is there, but that's not the point here.
  • We have a disagreement about the wall,
  • whether it's effective or not. -The Washington Post.
  • Not on border security, but on the wall.
  • We do not want to shutdown the government.
  • You have called 20 times to shutdown the government.
  • You say, "I want to shut down the government."
  • We don't. We want to come to an agreement.
  • if we can't come to an agreement we have solutions
  • that will pass the House and Senate right now,
  • and we'll not shutdown the government
  • and that's what we're urging you to do.
  • Not threaten to shutdown the government, because you can --
  • -You don't want to shutdown the government, Chuck.
  • -Let me just finish -- cause you can't get your way.
  • -Let time you shut it down you got killed.
  • -Yeah, let me just say something,
  • Mister President, you just say,
  • "My way or we'll shutdown the government."
  • We have a proposal that with Democrats and Republicans
  • will support to do a CR
  • that will not shutdown the government.
  • We urge you to take it.
  • -And if it's not good border security, I won't take it.
  • -It's very good border security. -And if it's not good
  • border security, I won't take it.
  • -It's what the bor-- -'Cause when you look
  • at these numbers
  • of the effectiveness of our border security,
  • and when you look at the job
  • that we're doing with our military.
  • -You just said it is effective. -Can I be --
  • Can I tell you something?
  • -Yeah, you just said it's effective.
  • -Without a wall --
  • these are only areas where you have the walls.
  • -We want to the s-- -Where you have walls,
  • Chuck, it's effective.
  • Where you don't have walls, it is not effective.
  • -Let's call a halt in it.
  • We've come in here, the first branch of government.
  • Article One, the legislative branch.
  • We're coming in, in good faith, to negotiate with you
  • about how we can keep the government open.
  • -Open.
  • -We're gonna keep it open if we have border security.
  • If we don't have border security, Chuck,
  • we're not gonna keep it open. -I'm with you.
  • We are gonna have border security.
  • -And it's the same bord-- You're bragging
  • about what has been done.
  • -By us. -We want to do the same thing
  • we did last year, this year.
  • That's our proposal.
  • If it's good then, it's good now,
  • and it won't shutdown the government.
  • -Chuck, we can build a much bigger section with more money.
  • -Let's debate, let's debate in private, okay?
  • -Okay. -Yeah, let's debate in private.
  • -Okay. -We have taken this conversation
  • to a place that is devoid, frankly of fact.
  • And we can dispel that. -We need border security.
  • I think we all agree that we need
  • border security, is that right? -Yes, we do.
  • -Good. -We do.
  • -See? We get along.
  • -Thank you, everybody.
  • -You say border security and the wall,
  • can you have border security without the wall?
  • -You need the wall.
  • The wall is a part of security.
  • -Are you redefining what it means to have border security?
  • -Yes. -We need border security,
  • the wall is a part of border security.
  • You can't have a very good border security
  • without the wall, no. -That is strictly not true.
  • That is a political promise.
  • Border security is a way
  • to effectively honor our responsibility t--
  • -And the experts say you can do border security without a wall,
  • which is wasteful and doesn't solve the problem.
  • -It totally solves the problem.
  • And it's very important. -But I don't want to take this.
  • Unfortunately this has spiraled downward,
  • when we came at a place to say,
  • how do we meet the needs of the American people, who have needs.
  • The economy has -- people are losing their jobs,
  • the market's in a mood.
  • Our members are left--
  • -Well, we have the lowest unemployment
  • that we've had in 50 years. -Okay.
  • -Fifty people of the Republican party have lost --
  • are losing their offices now because of the transition.
  • People are not, the morale is not up.
  • -And we've gained in the Senate.
  • Nancy, we've gained in the Senate.
  • Excuse me, did we win the Senate?
  • We won the Senate.
  • -When the President brags that he won North Dakota and Indiana,
  • he's in real trouble.
  • -I did.
  • We did win North Dakota and Indiana.
  • -This is the most important thing.
  • We came in here in good faith and we are entering into a,
  • this kind of a discussion in the public view.
  • -But it's not bad, Nancy.
  • It's called transparency. -I know.
  • But it's not transparency
  • when we're not stipulating to a set of facts.
  • And when we want to have a debate with you
  • about saying we confront some of these facts,
  • without saying to the public, this isn't true.
  • -You know what, we need border security.
  • That's what we're gonna be talking about, border security.
  • If we don't have border security we'll shutdown the government.
  • This country needs border security.
  • -We agree to that.
  • -The wall is a part of border security.
  • -Not the wall. -Let's have a talk.
  • We're gonna get the wall built,
  • and we've done a lot of wall already.
  • -How big a part of border security is the wall?
  • -It's a big sec-- it's a big part of it.
  • -Is it everything that you need? -It's a big part of it.
  • We need to have effective border security.
  • We need a wall in certain parts, no not in all parts,
  • but in certain parts
  • of a 2,000-mile border, we need a wall.
  • -How much money?
  • -Uh, we are doing it much under budget.
  • We're actually way under budget on the areas
  • that we've renovated and areas that we've built.
  • I would say if we got, if we got $5 billion
  • we could do a tremendous chunk of wall.
  • -Are you willing to accept less, though?
  • -Well, we're gonna see, we're gonna see.
  • Look, we have to have the wall.
  • This isn't a question, this is a national emergency.
  • Drugs are pouring into our country.
  • People with tremendous medical difficulty and medical problems
  • are pouring into and, in many, may cases it's contagious.
  • They're pouring into our country.
  • We have to have border security.
  • We have to have a wall as part of border security.
  • And I don't think we really disagree so much.
  • I also know that, you know, Nancy's in a situation
  • where it's not easy for her to talk right now.
  • And I understand that.
  • And I fully understand that.
  • We're gonna have a good discussion
  • and we're gonna see what happens.
  • But we have to have border security.
  • -Mister President, please don't characterize the strength
  • that I bring to this meeting
  • as the leader of the House Democrats,
  • who just won a big victory.
  • -Elections have consequences, Mister President.
  • -That's right.
  • And that's why the country is doing so well.
  • -Let me just say this, what the president is representing
  • the terms on his cards over there are not factual.
  • We have to have an evidence-based conversation
  • about what does work,
  • what money has been spent, and how effective it is.
  • This isn't deba-- This is about the security of our country.
  • We take an oath to protect and defend.
  • And we don't want to have that mischaracterized by anyone.
  • -I agree with that.
  • No, no I agree with that.
  • -So let us have a conversation where we don't have to
  • contradict, in public,
  • the statistics that you put forth.
  • But instead can have a conversation
  • about what will really work
  • and what the American people deserve from us
  • at this uncertain time in their lives --
  • -One thing I think we can agree on
  • is we shouldn't shutdown the government over a dispute.
  • -Yes.
  • -And you want to shut it down, you keep talking about it.
  • -I want -- no, no, no.
  • The last time, Chuck, you shut it down.
  • -No, no, no.
  • -And then you opened it up very quickly.
  • -Twenty times.
  • -And I don't want to do what you did.
  • -Twenty times.
  • Twenty times you have called for it.
  • -Chuck. -I will shutdown the government
  • if I don't get my wall.
  • None of us of have said -- -You want to know something?
  • -You've said it.
  • -Okay, you want to put that on my -- -You said it.
  • -I'll take it. -Okay, good.
  • -You know what I'll say?
  • Yes, if we don't get what we want one way or the other,
  • whether it's through you, through military,
  • through anything you want to call,
  • I will shutdown the government, absolutely.
  • -Okay, fair enough. We disagree.
  • -And I am proud.
  • -We disagree. -I'll tell you what, I am proud
  • to shutdown the government for border security, Chuck.
  • Because the people of this country don't want criminals
  • and people that have lots of problems
  • and drugs pouring into our country.
  • So, I will take the mantle.
  • I will the one to shut it down.
  • I'm not gonna blame you for it.
  • The last time, you shut it down, it didn't work.
  • I will take the mantle of shutting down.
  • -That is no--
  • -And I'm gonna shut it down for border security.
  • -But we believe you shouldn't shut it down.
  • -Okay. Thank you very much, everybody.
  • [indistinct chatter]
  • -Press, let's go, make your way out.

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House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) clashed Dec. 11 with President Trump over border security, during a meeting in the Oval Office. Subscribe to The Washington Post on YouTube: http://bit.ly/2qiJ4dy

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