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Video Can Trump Supporters And Immigrants See Eye To Eye?

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  • Those are things we don't want in the United States and one other thing
  • There's people with predatory behavior in every–
  • Excuse me, but you get mad at me
  • But if I could say this, it's not baked into their religion
  • Trump supporters, can I have you over there. My immigrants can I have you in the other light?
  • Sometimes I feel anxious about how the other side views me.
  • Uh, so it's not necessarily about the idea of immigrants, but I'm Muslim and there can be a lot of
  • directed
  • aggression from Trump supporters that I think I felt and other people in my Muslim community have felt and
  • That's why I'm here sitting with you guys.
  • I own a clothing line Magga preneur. This is my clothing line.
  • I'm a political strategist and a political activist and when I leave my house,
  • I am in fear for my life because every day I get death threats
  • So I think we both should be able to freely express ourselves. I love everybody, I'm here for everybody
  • I'll fight for your right for freedom, but I expect for you to fight for mine too because that's why we're in America
  • My name is Shastina, so I absolutely love immigration
  • but I believe that we need to secure our border and it's the same thing of I wouldn't just let anyone in my car or
  • in my house.
  • Alright, disagreers come on in
  • I used to get anxious about
  • How I'm perceived not just by some quote-unquote other side because my identity is very apparent in standing in my truth
  • I think it allows other folks to stand in theirs and to invite people to also learn more about me rather than
  • Be worried about how I'm perceived.
  • I think my group gets represented unfairly in the media.
  • [laughter]
  • Well I'm a Mexican and I hesitated because when Trump said that things about Mexicans being criminals and all that I
  • I didn't take it personal because I'm not that
  • So I was like that does not represent me like I'll take things yeah, so that's why I hesitated
  • But then I'm like I am not only one Mexican individual who's an immigrant I'm part of all the immigrants no matter. What country
  • You're from
  • We can say the same thing for Trump supporters right I mean
  • Now we have to maybe I wasn't called a racist, but you were called racist well guess what we're both Trump supporters
  • So now we have to band together
  • Could I, could I ask both of you a question and I'd like an honest reaction to this in my mind, It's languaging
  • I'm a writer, and I think if we made a distinction between
  • jihadists and
  • Muslims that would solve a big problem
  • That's plausible and I think a lot of that goes in it's really the realm of how much people really are interested in
  • understanding that kind of diversification and
  • uh, allowing the community that does know that really I don't know take the lead and
  • Initiative and show other people what that's about.
  • I feel threatened by this presidency.
  • When President Trump got elected as president. I was scared even though I had
  • Not a reason to because I'm legal here power becomes scary in hands of a monster
  • power becomes scary in hands of ignorance, and I'm scared about
  • My people and not only like I said the Mexicans all the good, hard-working immigrants.
  • Yeah, I think the election night was when I felt alarmed.
  • I've been a community organizer and an activist for 15 years now right that night
  • It felt like a slap in the face
  • To all of the work that we have always tried to do in terms of humanizing ourselves. My name is Kipasha
  • I think we realize as immigrants how lucky we are to be here, and that's why we want to create a society
  • That's more welcoming for others to be here
  • >>You said it was a slap in the face, and I take offense to that because
  • You're saying you work so hard
  • And yet we work so hard to to
  • Elect a president of the United States that we think will enforce the the laws
  • We'll enforce the United States Constitution
  • and it wasn't to be racist or it wasn't to
  • Boot you out of the country, and it was to enforce the First Amendment
  • It's actually to enforce your freedom of speech. I understand why you're scared
  • That as a white
  • Trump supporter
  • I am scared of this presidency because I have lost my freedom of speech
  • I have lost my freedom of religion
  • I have lost my freedom to wear this shirt in the public just because I have a different political view
  • Now I'm the enemy in my own country
  • I think that that's unfortunate about happened to you
  • But it's almost like you have some semblance of the reality that people of color live with for centuries here
  • And I've never seen that and I've never the first time you felt that right, right
  • But I I'm just gonna let you know that my neighbors are black. I have Muslim neighbors
  • I have I have neighbors of all kinds when we go to the grocery store, and I'm picking out yogurt
  • I'm picking out yogurt this looks like someone just like you, but it doesn't mean that you experience the same thing
  • I think even though we eat the same yogurt but nobody in my County treats people like that
  • it's
  • Just not. I don't think you would be able to say that I've lived in Orange County up until a few months ago
  • If I'm at a mall or if I'm even at the beach right I get a lot of strange stares
  • I even feel like a lot of people after the election came up to me asking me about
  • my positions my religion my identity so what I'm trying to say is like I can actually relate to what you went through because that
  • to be honest is a shred of
  • similarity to what people of color we came here, and then we were born basically sure I
  • Believe in immigration, but I am against illegal immigration
  • My whole thing is
  • assimilation right so like making sure that the culture's match if you know someone in the Middle East who's
  • Gay will be killed right
  • That's a thing and it's horrible if someone with that culture is somehow makes it through vetting and comes here
  • And then sees a gay couple you know kissing or whatever
  • They're gonna
  • Freak out or they're gonna react very differently in a way that you know we're trying to move past or not trying to be held
  • back by so I believe assimilation is
  • Probably one of the most important factors of why we need legal and not illegal immigrations my thing is about money
  • An awful lot of people who came here legally don't want
  • Illegal people being able to come or get free college it costs a hundred and eighteen billion
  • Dollars in welfare benefits, that's a huge
  • Why do I have to pay so that Walmart has cheap workers my name is Ken hunger?
  • I don't have anything against immigrants. It's a political problem. It's not an immigrant problem. I
  • Was an illegal immigrant at one point in my life
  • I am not anymore
  • but ultimately we left a country of war a country where extremism and terrorism was a reality and
  • This is something that was on a daily oppression towards women
  • If we don't have legal immigration
  • And we'll have that here we want you to come and be safe
  • But don't you want that for everyone else?
  • doesn't matter where you're coming from I think it might be a misconstrued and/or a misconception to think that the
  • Illegal immigrants might bring up the crime rates and when we're talking about what happens
  • After immigrants or refugees or illegals or anything coming to the state and how can we help them from here?
  • I think that is the real essential question we have a humanitarian duty to help one another out regardless of if we're
  • Afghan if we're Israeli if we're American we're all humans ultimately it's so fantastic
  • But what about our vets what about our children that are starving? What about our foster homes that are full?
  • What about them? We're not helping them, we're taking in all these refugees if we can't fix our citizens
  • How can we fix others? It's just kind of like if I can't love myself. I can't love another person
  • It should be easier to immigrate into America
  • It should be easier the way time should be shorter, right
  • But I believe that it's so lengthy not because the process is so extreme. I've I mean personally
  • I think it's so lengthy because it's mismanaged. Yeah, I think that
  • Well that too, but I think it's just like there's a way in a process
  • That should be put in place so it's not 15 years. Let's say that they fully cooperate, right
  • Let's say they have everything they have all the documents, and they're ready yeah, I think it should be a lot shorter
  • Do you think make it less bureaucratic yeah basically, okay? I mean I think I would agree with that
  • I just feel like when it comes to Trump you support the individual, but then the bureaucracy the
  • Administration all of that is so painstaking just so inefficient and in all of this it doesn't really compute for me
  • So I think we've been in there a year, right?
  • Yeah, we have so many changes that we want to make so let's talk about a couple of policy things
  • What about the Muslim banner the travel ban the travel ban to me was more about?
  • Obama
  • But it was enacted by Trump. Don't don't get me wrong
  • I agree with the travel ban right and I agree with refugees
  • But that's two separate things to me so what I'm trying to say is that none of these policies that are happening are
  • Not to do with one another they're all
  • Intertwined when we say we support the travel ban, but we also support refugees
  • But we also want to like help them get vaccinations
  • And we also want to do that some islands want to well don't forget
  • We're funding the same bombs that are causing
  • The Yemenis to have to become route there has to be a reason right so so it's so it's all it's all it's all connected
  • Right so, so why are we bombing Yemen personally? I haven't looked into Yemen. I guess I'm missing your point
  • Refugees you support
  • Yes travel, ban this one, ban you support. It's not me. It's not a mother. Yes. I support a travel, ban
  • So we can assess who's coming in. I just think it's important to contextualize like you're saying nothing happens in a vacuum
  • Yeah, right, and I think that if we start to actually connect the dots like I'm encouraging us to do then
  • It'll become a lot more
  • understandable, I mean I don't believe anyway I
  • Would like to answer your question about why we're bombing Yemen
  • We're not palm in Yemen were bombing radical jihadists in Yemen who were killing people
  • That's why we're bombing parts of Yemen
  • Selectively to kill people who are doing terrible terrible things, and there's a tremendous amount of rape happening in England
  • Taking these little girls grooming them because they feel they have the right to do we don't want that here those are things
  • We don't want in the United States and one other thing. There's people with predatory behavior in every excuse me
  • If I could say this and you'll get mad at me
  • But if I could say this it's not baked into their religion
  • There are a hundred and nine passages in the Quran where people are told to kill
  • infidels and in Christians and Jews there's nothing like that in our Bible or in the
  • Bhagavad-gita or in anything Buddha taught or any other religion. I'm aware of in the world
  • until people renounce those
  • values then
  • They scare me I don't think so
  • I haven't renounced any part of my religion in front of you, so I hope that you don't feel threatened by me
  • So I'm not sure what you mean by that
  • And I won't renounce any part of it slam the point that I'm trying to make is that you didn't really answer the question
  • No, he did. He said the reason why we're bombing him on Yemen is to save the people because I'm assuming that in Yemen. We've
  • Managed to keep out people like that guys remember. This is a video of a trumpet immigrants. We're mixing too much the religion
  • Well, I think the race the Taliban yes, yes that you shouldn't question somebody's religion. I am very religious very religious and
  • I'm not putting anything
  • About my religion in here
  • I'm here to talk about me as an immigrant you guys are here to talk about Donald Trump's like supporting him and yes
  • I've learned a lot like you guys are human, too. You have values you
  • Who would have thought you know that we would have found?
  • Common ground and we wouldn't like hit each other right here
  • You know because after the media portraying you guys as bad, or closest terrorist whatever right?
  • I think the media is getting us all in a different light
  • Yeah, I think that we're portraying ourselves in a very different light, too
  • I mean I feel very attacked just now for my religion when I did start to talk about myself as an immigrant
  • You don't say you kept talking about the travel, ban. It's a Muslim, but that has nothing to do with immigration
  • It's not a Muslim
  • But what I'm trying to just say is that no one should have to explain Muslim Christian Jewish none of the above
  • What they are to you, but Muslims?
  • Continuously have to defend. Not only their religion, but their humanity
  • what I love about this country is the
  • Diversity I just when I came here from Mexico
  • I just loved how there was different religions different colors different people like it's amazing
  • It's it's beautiful, and I don't I don't understand how
  • empty of a human you have to be to discriminate someone just because of their looks, it's
  • it's these pre-programmed thoughts in our head from just media as what I believe just
  • blowing things out of proportion just
  • Consistently just the outlook on
  • Minorities or the outlook on people in certain situations is just bad once you humanize someone when you're having a conversation
  • When I and I look past you know whatever these biases that people try to
  • Enact on me right or that I see and I start looking at you as a person
  • I start listening to what you're saying you really realize that it's not that different
  • I mean we just we have different situations we have different information
  • But we're all trying to do the best
  • that we have I think the real interesting aspect that I guess a lot of discrimination is really about is taking this general idea of
  • phenomenon where you can associate my case at least like Muslims
  • Terrorists equal each other and take individuals and group them so easily with that sort of discrimination
  • And I think that's something that we have to work towards in terms of separating ourselves from doing that
  • Thank you. Everybody. I appreciate you
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