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  • >> NOTHING LIKE IT. >> WELL DONE, MY FRIEND.
  • >> WELL DONE, MY FRIEND. THANKS, LAWRENCE.
  • THANKS, LAWRENCE. >> THANK YOU, RACHEL.
  • >> THANK YOU, RACHEL. >>> WELL, IN "VANITY FAIR,"
  • >>> WELL, IN "VANITY FAIR," GABRIEL SHERMAN IS REPORTING
  • GABRIEL SHERMAN IS REPORTING THAT A PROMINENT REPUBLICAN
  • THAT A PROMINENT REPUBLICAN CLOSE TO SENATE MAJORITY LEADER
  • CLOSE TO SENATE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL DESCRIBED
  • MITCH McCONNELL DESCRIBED TRUMP’S HANDLING OF THE SHUTDOWN
  • TRUMP’S HANDLING OF THE SHUTDOWN AS TOTAL CHAOS.
  • AS TOTAL CHAOS. AND IN THE ACTUAL QUOTE BETWEEN
  • AND IN THE ACTUAL QUOTE BETWEEN THE WORD TOTAL AND CHAOS IS THAT
  • THE WORD TOTAL AND CHAOS IS THAT HEAVY PIECE OF PROFANITY THAT
  • HEAVY PIECE OF PROFANITY THAT REX TILLERSON REPORTEDLY USED TO
  • REX TILLERSON REPORTEDLY USED TO DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF
  • DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF MORON DONALD TRUMP IS.
  • MORON DONALD TRUMP IS. AND THAT CHAOS CONTINUED TODAY
  • AND THAT CHAOS CONTINUED TODAY BECAUSE NANCY PELOSI JUST SAID
  • BECAUSE NANCY PELOSI JUST SAID NO.
  • NO. AND WHEN THE SPEAKER OF THE
  • AND WHEN THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SAYS NO TO THE CURRENT
  • HOUSE SAYS NO TO THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,
  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP LITERALLY DOES NOT
  • DONALD TRUMP LITERALLY DOES NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO OR TO SAY.
  • KNOW WHAT TO DO OR TO SAY. BECAUSE PRIOR TO SPEAKER NANCY
  • BECAUSE PRIOR TO SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI, DONALD TRUMP HAS NEVER
  • PELOSI, DONALD TRUMP HAS NEVER HEARD THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE
  • HEARD THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SAY NO.
  • SAY NO. WHEN IT COMES TO LEGISLATIVE
  • WHEN IT COMES TO LEGISLATIVE MATTERS, THE SPEAKER OF THE
  • MATTERS, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS ALWAYS MORE POWERFUL
  • HOUSE IS ALWAYS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE PRESIDENT.
  • THAN THE PRESIDENT. THAT IS BY CONSTITUTIONAL
  • THAT IS BY CONSTITUTIONAL DESIGN.
  • DESIGN. THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ALWAYS
  • THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE ALWAYS HAS THE POWER TO SAY NO TO
  • HAS THE POWER TO SAY NO TO PRESIDENTIAL LEGISLATION, AND
  • PRESIDENTIAL LEGISLATION, AND THEY OFTEN DO, EVEN WHEN THE
  • THEY OFTEN DO, EVEN WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS IN THE SAME PARTY
  • PRESIDENT IS IN THE SAME PARTY AS THE SPEAKER.
  • AS THE SPEAKER. NO ONE REMEMBERS GEORGE W.
  • NO ONE REMEMBERS GEORGE W. BUSH’S RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN
  • BUSH’S RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN PROMISE THAT MADE REFORMING
  • PROMISE THAT MADE REFORMING SOCIAL SECURITY A NUMBER ONE
  • SOCIAL SECURITY A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR THE SECOND TERM OF
  • PRIORITY FOR THE SECOND TERM OF THE BUSH PRESIDENCY, AND NO ONE
  • THE BUSH PRESIDENCY, AND NO ONE REMEMBERS THAT BECAUSE THE
  • REMEMBERS THAT BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE
  • REPUBLICAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE SAID NO TO THE REPUBLICAN
  • SAID NO TO THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.
  • PRESIDENT. SO DID THE REPUBLICAN SENATE
  • SO DID THE REPUBLICAN SENATE MAJORITY LEADER.
  • MAJORITY LEADER. AND SO THE REPUBLICAN
  • AND SO THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT’S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY
  • PRESIDENT’S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF REFORMING SOCIAL SECURITY
  • OF REFORMING SOCIAL SECURITY NEVER EVEN GOT A HEARING IN THE
  • NEVER EVEN GOT A HEARING IN THE HOUSE OR THE SENATE BECAUSE WHEN
  • HOUSE OR THE SENATE BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO LEGISLATION, THE
  • IT COMES TO LEGISLATION, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS MORE
  • SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE PRESIDENT AND
  • POWERFUL THAN THE PRESIDENT AND EVERY PREVIOUS PRESIDENT HAS
  • EVERY PREVIOUS PRESIDENT HAS UNDERSTOOD THAT, AND SO EVERY
  • UNDERSTOOD THAT, AND SO EVERY PREVIOUS PRESIDENT HAS TREATED
  • PREVIOUS PRESIDENT HAS TREATED THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE
  • THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE PUBLICLY WITH RESPECT AND
  • PUBLICLY WITH RESPECT AND PRIVATELY WITH EVEN MORE
  • PRIVATELY WITH EVEN MORE RESPECT.
  • RESPECT. BUT TODAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE
  • BUT TODAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES GOT UP AND WALKED
  • UNITED STATES GOT UP AND WALKED OUT ON THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE
  • OUT ON THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE BECAUSE NANCY PELOSI SAID NO.
  • BECAUSE NANCY PELOSI SAID NO. >> HE ASKED SPEAKER PELOSI, WILL
  • >> HE ASKED SPEAKER PELOSI, WILL YOU AGREE TO MY WALL?
  • YOU AGREE TO MY WALL? SHE SAID NO AND HE JUST GOT UP
  • SHE SAID NO AND HE JUST GOT UP AND SAID, THEN WE HAVE NOTHING
  • AND SAID, THEN WE HAVE NOTHING TO DISCUSS AND HE JUST WALKED
  • TO DISCUSS AND HE JUST WALKED OUT.
  • OUT. AGAIN, WE SAW A TEMPER TANTRUM
  • AGAIN, WE SAW A TEMPER TANTRUM BECAUSE HE COULDN’T GET HIS WAY.
  • BECAUSE HE COULDN’T GET HIS WAY. >> THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL
  • >> THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL LEADERSHIP IN THE ROOM WITH THE
  • LEADERSHIP IN THE ROOM WITH THE PRESIDENT AND NANCY PELOSI AND
  • PRESIDENT AND NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK SCHUMER ALL AGREE THAT
  • CHUCK SCHUMER ALL AGREE THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED,
  • THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED, THE PRESIDENT JUST WALKED OUT,
  • THE PRESIDENT JUST WALKED OUT, BUT THEY INSIST THAT IT WASN’T A
  • BUT THEY INSIST THAT IT WASN’T A TEMPER TANTRUM BECAUSE THEY SAY,
  • TEMPER TANTRUM BECAUSE THEY SAY, THEY INSIST THAT THE PRESIDENT
  • THEY INSIST THAT THE PRESIDENT SPOKE VERY POLITELY.
  • SPOKE VERY POLITELY. ACCORDING TO A CONGRESSIONAL
  • ACCORDING TO A CONGRESSIONAL AIDE WHO DESCRIBED THE MEETING
  • AIDE WHO DESCRIBED THE MEETING TO NBC, AT ONE POINT SENATOR
  • TO NBC, AT ONE POINT SENATOR SCHUMER ASKED THE PRESIDENT,
  • SCHUMER ASKED THE PRESIDENT, "WHY WON’T YOU OPEN THE
  • "WHY WON’T YOU OPEN THE GOVERNMENT AND STOP HURTING
  • GOVERNMENT AND STOP HURTING PEOPLE?"
  • PEOPLE?" TO WHICH DONALD TRUMP RESPONDED,
  • TO WHICH DONALD TRUMP RESPONDED, "BECAUSE THEN YOU WON’T GIVE ME
  • "BECAUSE THEN YOU WON’T GIVE ME WHAT I WANT."
  • WHAT I WANT." CHUCK SCHUMER AND NANCY PELOSI
  • CHUCK SCHUMER AND NANCY PELOSI SEEMED CONVINCED THAT DONALD
  • SEEMED CONVINCED THAT DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT KNOW THAT 800,000
  • TRUMP DOES NOT KNOW THAT 800,000 FEDERAL WORKERS WHO ARE NOT
  • FEDERAL WORKERS WHO ARE NOT RECEIVING THEIR PAYCHECKS ARE
  • RECEIVING THEIR PAYCHECKS ARE ACTUALLY HAVING A HARD TIME.
  • ACTUALLY HAVING A HARD TIME. >> THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO BE
  • >> THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO BE INSENSITIVE TO THAT.
  • INSENSITIVE TO THAT. HE THINKS MAYBE THEY CAN JUST
  • HE THINKS MAYBE THEY CAN JUST ASK THEIR FATHER FOR MORE MONEY.
  • ASK THEIR FATHER FOR MORE MONEY. BUT THEY CAN’T.
  • BUT THEY CAN’T. BUT THEY CAN’T.
  • BUT THEY CAN’T. IF YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE
  • IF YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND THE NATIONAL INSECURITY, THEN YOU
  • NATIONAL INSECURITY, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A POLICY THAT TAKES
  • WOULD HAVE A POLICY THAT TAKES PRIDE IN SAYING I’M GOING TO
  • PRIDE IN SAYING I’M GOING TO KEEP GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN FOR
  • KEEP GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN FOR MONTHS OR YEARS.
  • MONTHS OR YEARS. UNLESS YOU TOTALLY AGREE TO MY
  • UNLESS YOU TOTALLY AGREE TO MY POSITION.
  • POSITION. >> PRIOR TO THE MEETING WITH
  • >> PRIOR TO THE MEETING WITH NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK SCHUMER
  • NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK SCHUMER AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE
  • AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE PRESIDENT HAD A LUNCHEON MEETING
  • PRESIDENT HAD A LUNCHEON MEETING IN THE SENATE WITH REPUBLICAN
  • IN THE SENATE WITH REPUBLICAN SENATORS, AND EVEN THAT MEETING
  • SENATORS, AND EVEN THAT MEETING DIDN’T GO WELL BECAUSE WHILE THE
  • DIDN’T GO WELL BECAUSE WHILE THE DEMOCRATS ARE COMPLETELY,
  • DEMOCRATS ARE COMPLETELY, TOTALLY UNIFIED BEHIND THEIR
  • TOTALLY UNIFIED BEHIND THEIR LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE AND THE
  • LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE ON THIS ISSUE,
  • SENATE ON THIS ISSUE, REPUBLICANS ARE NOT.
  • REPUBLICANS ARE NOT. THERE ARE NOW AT LEAST 12
  • THERE ARE NOW AT LEAST 12 REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE PUBLICLY
  • REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE PUBLICLY SPLIT WITH THE PRESIDENT AND
  • SPLIT WITH THE PRESIDENT AND SUPPORT THE BILLS THAT SPEAKER
  • SUPPORT THE BILLS THAT SPEAKER PELOSI PASSED IN THE HOUSE OF
  • PELOSI PASSED IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES LAST WEEK.
  • REPRESENTATIVES LAST WEEK. EIGHT REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE
  • EIGHT REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ARE
  • OF REPRESENTATIVES ARE SUPPORTING THE PELOSI POSITION
  • SUPPORTING THE PELOSI POSITION AND AT LEAST FOUR REPUBLICAN
  • AND AT LEAST FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE SUPPORTING THE
  • SENATORS ARE SUPPORTING THE PELOSI POSITION, WHICH MEANS NOW
  • PELOSI POSITION, WHICH MEANS NOW A MAJORITY OF THE U.S. SENATE,
  • A MAJORITY OF THE U.S. SENATE, 51 SENATORS, SUPPORT THE PELOSI
  • 51 SENATORS, SUPPORT THE PELOSI BILLS TO RE-OPEN THE GOVERNMENT
  • BILLS TO RE-OPEN THE GOVERNMENT AT THE BEGINNING -- AND AT THE
  • AT THE BEGINNING -- AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS STORY A FEW
  • BEGINNING OF THIS STORY A FEW WEEKS AGO, THOSE BILLS ACTUALLY
  • WEEKS AGO, THOSE BILLS ACTUALLY PASSED THE UNITED STATES SENATE
  • PASSED THE UNITED STATES SENATE UNANIMOUSLY.
  • UNANIMOUSLY. AND SO IT SHOULD NOT BE
  • AND SO IT SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISING NOW THAT AT LEAST
  • SURPRISING NOW THAT AT LEAST FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO
  • FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO VOTED FOR THOSE BILLS BEFORE
  • VOTED FOR THOSE BILLS BEFORE WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE
  • WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID HE WOULD SIGN THOSE BILLS, BEFORE
  • WOULD SIGN THOSE BILLS, BEFORE CHANGING HIS MIND, THAT AT LEAST
  • CHANGING HIS MIND, THAT AT LEAST FOUR OF THOSE REPUBLICAN
  • FOUR OF THOSE REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE NOW IN FAVOR OF
  • SENATORS ARE NOW IN FAVOR OF THOSE BILLS AGAIN, AND IT COULD
  • THOSE BILLS AGAIN, AND IT COULD BE MANY MORE.
  • BE MANY MORE. THERE COULD BE OTHER REPUBLICAN
  • THERE COULD BE OTHER REPUBLICAN SENATORS WHO SIMPLY AREN’T
  • SENATORS WHO SIMPLY AREN’T SAYING SO PUBLICLY BUT WOULD BE
  • SAYING SO PUBLICLY BUT WOULD BE READY FOR VOTE FOR THOSE BILLS
  • READY FOR VOTE FOR THOSE BILLS IF THEY CAME TO A VOTE IN THE
  • IF THEY CAME TO A VOTE IN THE SENATE.
  • SENATE. AND SO THE PRESIDENT’S TRIP TO
  • AND SO THE PRESIDENT’S TRIP TO THE SENATE TODAY, WHICH IS AN
  • THE SENATE TODAY, WHICH IS AN EXTREMELY RARE THING FOR A
  • EXTREMELY RARE THING FOR A PRESIDENT TO DO, WAS A DESPERATE
  • PRESIDENT TO DO, WAS A DESPERATE MOVE TO TRY TO HOLD REPUBLICAN
  • MOVE TO TRY TO HOLD REPUBLICAN SENATORS IN LINE AGAINST THE
  • SENATORS IN LINE AGAINST THE PELOSI BILLS, AND IT’S NOT
  • PELOSI BILLS, AND IT’S NOT WORKING.
  • WORKING. BUT TO HEAR DONALD TRUMP
  • BUT TO HEAR DONALD TRUMP DESCRIBE THE MEETING WITH
  • DESCRIBE THE MEETING WITH REPUBLICAN SENATORS, YOU WOULD
  • REPUBLICAN SENATORS, YOU WOULD THINK THAT REPUBLICAN SENATORS
  • THINK THAT REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE TOTALLY UNIFIED ON THIS.
  • ARE TOTALLY UNIFIED ON THIS. AND YOU WOULD HAVE NO IDEA THAT
  • AND YOU WOULD HAVE NO IDEA THAT FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS HAVE
  • FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS HAVE ALREADY MOVED OVER TO THE
  • ALREADY MOVED OVER TO THE DEMOCRATS’ POSITION PUBLICLY.
  • DEMOCRATS’ POSITION PUBLICLY. AND DONALD TRUMP KNOWS THAT THE
  • AND DONALD TRUMP KNOWS THAT THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE NOT
  • REPUBLICAN SENATORS ARE NOT TOTALLY UNIFIED ON THIS, AND
  • TOTALLY UNIFIED ON THIS, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY HE HAD TO
  • THAT IS EXACTLY WHY HE HAD TO MAKE THAT TRIP TO TALK TO THE
  • MAKE THAT TRIP TO TALK TO THE REPUBLICAN SENATORS AT THEIR
  • REPUBLICAN SENATORS AT THEIR LUNCHEON TODAY, TO TRY TO HOLD
  • LUNCHEON TODAY, TO TRY TO HOLD THEM TOGETHER.
  • THEM TOGETHER. EVERY REPORTER WAITING TO SPEAK
  • EVERY REPORTER WAITING TO SPEAK TO THE PRESIDENT AFTER THAT
  • TO THE PRESIDENT AFTER THAT LUNCHEON KNOWS ALL OF THAT.
  • LUNCHEON KNOWS ALL OF THAT. THEY KNOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE
  • THEY KNOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT TOTALLY UNIFIED, BUT DONALD
  • NOT TOTALLY UNIFIED, BUT DONALD TRUMP TRIED TO TELL THEM THAT
  • TRUMP TRIED TO TELL THEM THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE TOTALLY
  • THE REPUBLICANS ARE TOTALLY UNIFIED.
  • UNIFIED. >> DID ANY REPUBLICANS IN THAT
  • >> DID ANY REPUBLICANS IN THAT MEETING TODAY TELL YOU THEY WANT
  • MEETING TODAY TELL YOU THEY WANT YOU TO PURSUE A DIFFERENT
  • YOU TO PURSUE A DIFFERENT STRATEGY, THEY WANT YOU TO
  • STRATEGY, THEY WANT YOU TO RE-OPEN THE GOVERNMENT?
  • RE-OPEN THE GOVERNMENT? >> A COUPLE TALKED ABOUT --
  • >> A COUPLE TALKED ABOUT -- YEAH, A COUPLE TALKED ABOUT
  • YEAH, A COUPLE TALKED ABOUT STRATEGY BUT THEY’RE WITH US ALL
  • STRATEGY BUT THEY’RE WITH US ALL THE WAY.
  • THE WAY. THEY’RE WITH US.
  • THEY’RE WITH US. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT ABOUT THE
  • >> MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA THAT --
  • IDEA THAT -- >> I JUST WANT -- THE FAKE NEWS
  • >> I JUST WANT -- THE FAKE NEWS AND THE FAKE NEWS, AND I JUST
  • AND THE FAKE NEWS, AND I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE
  • WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE TOTALLY UNIFIED.
  • REPUBLICANS ARE TOTALLY UNIFIED. >> TOTALLY UNIFIED.
  • >> TOTALLY UNIFIED. ALASKA REPUBLICAN SENATOR LISA
  • ALASKA REPUBLICAN SENATOR LISA MURKOWSKI WAS IN THE MEETING.
  • MURKOWSKI WAS IN THE MEETING. YESTERDAY SHE BECAME THE THIRD
  • YESTERDAY SHE BECAME THE THIRD OF THE FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS
  • OF THE FOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS TO DEFECT FROM THE TRUMP
  • TO DEFECT FROM THE TRUMP POSITION.
  • POSITION. SHE IS OPPOSED TO THE TRUMP
  • SHE IS OPPOSED TO THE TRUMP POSITION.
  • POSITION. HERE’S WHAT SENATOR MURKOWSKI
  • HERE’S WHAT SENATOR MURKOWSKI TOLD REPORTERS AFTER THAT
  • TOLD REPORTERS AFTER THAT MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT
  • MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT TODAY.
  • TODAY. >> I WISH THAT THERE HAD BEEN
  • >> I WISH THAT THERE HAD BEEN MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTION
  • MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR QUESTION AND ANSWER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE
  • AND ANSWER, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT WAS VERY CLEAR IN WHAT
  • PRESIDENT WAS VERY CLEAR IN WHAT HE WAS ASKING FOR, WHICH WAS
  • HE WAS ASKING FOR, WHICH WAS UNITY FROM THE REPUBLICANS.
  • UNITY FROM THE REPUBLICANS. I REITERATED THAT I THOUGHT THAT
  • I REITERATED THAT I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS UNITY WHEN IT CAME TO
  • THERE WAS UNITY WHEN IT CAME TO SUPPORTING OUR NATIONAL SECURITY
  • SUPPORTING OUR NATIONAL SECURITY AND PROVIDING FOR SECURE
  • AND PROVIDING FOR SECURE BORDERS, AS WELL AS TO DEAL WITH
  • BORDERS, AS WELL AS TO DEAL WITH THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, BUT I
  • THE HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, BUT I DID SUGGEST THAT THERE WAS SOME
  • DID SUGGEST THAT THERE WAS SOME SEPARATION IN TERMS OF HOW LONG
  • SEPARATION IN TERMS OF HOW LONG THE SHUTDOWN WOULD CONTINUE,
  • THE SHUTDOWN WOULD CONTINUE, THAT FOLKS ARE IMPACTED WHETHER
  • THAT FOLKS ARE IMPACTED WHETHER THEY’RE IN THE STATE OF ALASKA
  • THEY’RE IN THE STATE OF ALASKA OR WHEREVER AROUND THE COUNTRY.
  • OR WHEREVER AROUND THE COUNTRY. >> MAYBE NO ONE IN THE ROOM
  • >> MAYBE NO ONE IN THE ROOM TRANSLATED THAT FOR DONALD
  • TRANSLATED THAT FOR DONALD TRUMP.
  • TRUMP. LISA MURKOWSKI IS SAYING THAT,
  • LISA MURKOWSKI IS SAYING THAT, SURE, THERE’S REPUBLICAN UNITY
  • SURE, THERE’S REPUBLICAN UNITY ON POLICY, BUT THERE IS NO UNITY
  • ON POLICY, BUT THERE IS NO UNITY ON THE SHUTDOWN.
  • ON THE SHUTDOWN. LISA MURKOWSKI DOES NOT WANT THE
  • LISA MURKOWSKI DOES NOT WANT THE SHUTDOWN TO CONTINUE, AND SO SHE
  • SHUTDOWN TO CONTINUE, AND SO SHE WANTS TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT NOW
  • WANTS TO FUND THE GOVERNMENT NOW AND FIGHT ABOUT THE WALL LATER.
  • AND FIGHT ABOUT THE WALL LATER. >> WERE YOU HAPPY WITH HOW THE
  • >> WERE YOU HAPPY WITH HOW THE MEETING WENT?
  • MEETING WENT? >> THE MEETING WITH THE
  • >> THE MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT?
  • PRESIDENT? >> MMM-HMM.
  • >> MMM-HMM. >> I WISH THAT WE HAD HAD A
  • >> I WISH THAT WE HAD HAD A LITTLE MORE CLEAR DIRECTION AS
  • LITTLE MORE CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO HOW WE’RE GOING TO GET THERE.
  • TO HOW WE’RE GOING TO GET THERE. >> THAT IS THE POLITE PUBLIC,
  • >> THAT IS THE POLITE PUBLIC, SENATORIAL LANGUAGE FOR WHAT
  • SENATORIAL LANGUAGE FOR WHAT THAT UNNAMED REPUBLICAN CALLED
  • THAT UNNAMED REPUBLICAN CALLED TOTAL CHAOS.
  • TOTAL CHAOS. JOINING OUR DISCUSSION NOW, JOHN
  • JOINING OUR DISCUSSION NOW, JOHN HEILEMANN, NATIONAL AFFAIRS
  • HEILEMANN, NATIONAL AFFAIRS ANALYST FOR NBC NEWS AND --
  • ANALYST FOR NBC NEWS AND -- CO-HOST AND EXECUTIVE PRODUCE OF
  • CO-HOST AND EXECUTIVE PRODUCE OF SHOWTIME’S THE CIRCUS.
  • SHOWTIME’S THE CIRCUS. CHARLIE SYKES IS WITH US.
  • CHARLIE SYKES IS WITH US. AND MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST SAM
  • AND MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST SAM STEIN, THE POLITICS EDITOR OF
  • STEIN, THE POLITICS EDITOR OF "THE DAILY BEAST."
  • "THE DAILY BEAST." HE’S ALSO AN MSNBC POLITICAL
  • HE’S ALSO AN MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST.
  • ANALYST. CHARLIE, I’M SORRY, THAT IN THE
  • CHARLIE, I’M SORRY, THAT IN THE TELEPROMPTER WAS THE FIRST TIME
  • TELEPROMPTER WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I LEARNED THAT YOU ARE
  • THAT I LEARNED THAT YOU ARE RUNNING SOMETHING CALLED THE
  • RUNNING SOMETHING CALLED THE BULWARK, WHICH WE WIND WHERE?
  • BULWARK, WHICH WE WIND WHERE? IS THAT ONLINE?
  • IS THAT ONLINE? >> THAT IS ONLINE.
  • >> THAT IS ONLINE. A LOT OF THE STAFFERS FROM "THE
  • A LOT OF THE STAFFERS FROM "THE WEEKLY STANDARD" ARE THERE.
  • WEEKLY STANDARD" ARE THERE. >> ALL RIGHT.
  • >> ALL RIGHT. WE JUST DID THE FULL PROMO ON
  • WE JUST DID THE FULL PROMO ON IT.
  • IT. JOHN HEILEMANN, DONALD TRUMP
  • JOHN HEILEMANN, DONALD TRUMP COMES OUT OF A MEETING WITH
  • COMES OUT OF A MEETING WITH REPUBLICANS WHERE EVERYONE IN
  • REPUBLICANS WHERE EVERYONE IN THE WORLD KNOWS THAT REPUBLICANS
  • THE WORLD KNOWS THAT REPUBLICANS ARE NOT TOTALLY UNIFIED.
  • ARE NOT TOTALLY UNIFIED. IF THEY WERE TOTALLY UNIFIED,
  • IF THEY WERE TOTALLY UNIFIED, DONALD TRUMP WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
  • DONALD TRUMP WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RUNNING UP TO THE SENATE TODAY
  • RUNNING UP TO THE SENATE TODAY TRYING TO MAKE THEM UNIFIED.
  • TRYING TO MAKE THEM UNIFIED. >> YES.
  • >> YES. THE PRESENCE OF DONALD TRUMP ON
  • THE PRESENCE OF DONALD TRUMP ON CAPITOL HILL AT LUNCH, SAYING
  • CAPITOL HILL AT LUNCH, SAYING THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE
  • THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE UNIFIED, WAS THE BEST EVIDENCE
  • UNIFIED, WAS THE BEST EVIDENCE THAT, IN FACT, THE REPUBLICANS
  • THAT, IN FACT, THE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT, IN FACT, UNIFIED.
  • ARE NOT, IN FACT, UNIFIED. OF COURSE IF THE REPUBLICANS
  • OF COURSE IF THE REPUBLICANS WERE UNIFIED, THE WHOLE WORLD
  • WERE UNIFIED, THE WHOLE WORLD WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT AS WE
  • WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT AS WE SAW LAST NIGHT, ONE OF THE
  • SAW LAST NIGHT, ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE
  • THINGS, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE SPEECH AND YOU COVERED IT VERY
  • SPEECH AND YOU COVERED IT VERY WELL LAST NIGHT, LAWRENCE, BUT
  • WELL LAST NIGHT, LAWRENCE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NOTED,
  • ONE OF THE THINGS YOU NOTED, WHICH WAS -- WHICH WAS TRUE, YOU
  • WHICH WAS -- WHICH WAS TRUE, YOU KNOW, TRUMP CONFESSING TO THOSE
  • KNOW, TRUMP CONFESSING TO THOSE REPORTERS BEFORE THE SPEECH THAT
  • REPORTERS BEFORE THE SPEECH THAT NOTHING WOULD CHANGE ON THE
  • NOTHING WOULD CHANGE ON THE BASIS OF THE SPEECH, WHICH IS
  • BASIS OF THE SPEECH, WHICH IS WHY HE DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE IT.
  • WHY HE DIDN’T WANT TO GIVE IT. TRUMP HAS HAD VERY FEW MOMENTS
  • TRUMP HAS HAD VERY FEW MOMENTS OF GREAT CLARITY IN HIS MENTAL
  • OF GREAT CLARITY IN HIS MENTAL STATE SUCH AS IT IS, BUT THAT
  • STATE SUCH AS IT IS, BUT THAT ONE HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT.
  • ONE HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT. HE WAS RIGHT THE POLITICS WERE
  • HE WAS RIGHT THE POLITICS WERE AGAINST HIM, THE POLICY IS
  • AGAINST HIM, THE POLICY IS AGAINST HIM.
  • AGAINST HIM. THE COUNTRY IS AGAINST HIM.
  • THE COUNTRY IS AGAINST HIM. THE DEMOCRATS ARE UNIFIED
  • THE DEMOCRATS ARE UNIFIED AGAINST HIM AND HIS PARTY IS
  • AGAINST HIM AND HIS PARTY IS STARTING TO TURN AGAINST HIM
  • STARTING TO TURN AGAINST HIM SLOWLY BUT INEVITABILITY.
  • SLOWLY BUT INEVITABILITY. HE KNEW THE SPEECH WASN’T GOING
  • HE KNEW THE SPEECH WASN’T GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
  • TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING. SO TODAY EVERYTHING THAT
  • SO TODAY EVERYTHING THAT UNFOLDED I THINK, AGAIN, TRUMP
  • UNFOLDED I THINK, AGAIN, TRUMP RARELY CLEAR, RARELY LUCID, BUT
  • RARELY CLEAR, RARELY LUCID, BUT I THINK HE SAW BACK AS FAR AS
  • I THINK HE SAW BACK AS FAR AS YESTERDAY AFTERNOON THAT HE WAS
  • YESTERDAY AFTERNOON THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE IN THIS SITUATION
  • GOING TO BE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE HE WAS GOING TO GIVE A
  • WHERE HE WAS GOING TO GIVE A SPEECH THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE NO
  • SPEECH THAT WAS GOING TO HAVE NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER AND HE WAS
  • EFFECT WHATSOEVER AND HE WAS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND TODAY
  • GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND TODAY LYING ABOUT THE FACT THAT HIS
  • LYING ABOUT THE FACT THAT HIS SPEECH HAD A PROFOUND EFFECT ON
  • SPEECH HAD A PROFOUND EFFECT ON THE UNITY OF HIS PARTY.
  • THE UNITY OF HIS PARTY. >> CHARLIE, IT HAD NO EFFECT ON
  • >> CHARLIE, IT HAD NO EFFECT ON NANCY PELOSI WHO HAS A VERY
  • NANCY PELOSI WHO HAS A VERY SIMPLE ONE-WORD NEGOTIATING
  • SIMPLE ONE-WORD NEGOTIATING POSITION WITH DONALD TRUMP ON
  • POSITION WITH DONALD TRUMP ON THE WALL, AND THAT WORD IS NO.
  • THE WALL, AND THAT WORD IS NO. >> YEAH, AND APPARENTLY THE
  • >> YEAH, AND APPARENTLY THE AUTHOR OF -- OR THE GUY WHO
  • AUTHOR OF -- OR THE GUY WHO CLAIMED TO BE THE AUTHOR OF "ART
  • CLAIMED TO BE THE AUTHOR OF "ART OF THE DEAL" DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO
  • OF THE DEAL" DOESN’T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
  • HANDLE THAT. THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT
  • THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT POSITION FOR THE REPUBLICANS.
  • POSITION FOR THE REPUBLICANS. IT USED TO BE IF THEY WERE
  • IT USED TO BE IF THEY WERE INVOLVED IN A GOVERNMENT
  • INVOLVED IN A GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THEY WANTED TO SHRINK
  • SHUTDOWN THEY WANTED TO SHRINK THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT.
  • THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT. THEY CARED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE
  • THEY CARED ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE DEFICIT.
  • DEFICIT. THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE
  • THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEBT.
  • DEBT. HERE THEY FIND THEMSELVES
  • HERE THEY FIND THEMSELVES PRESIDING OVER THIS CHAOS, THIS
  • PRESIDING OVER THIS CHAOS, THIS CLUSTER IN THE CAUSE OF SPENDING
  • CLUSTER IN THE CAUSE OF SPENDING MORE MONEY, INCREASING MONEY,
  • MORE MONEY, INCREASING MONEY, SPENDING MONEY ON A MEDIEVAL
  • SPENDING MONEY ON A MEDIEVAL BOONDOGGLE, AND THINK ABOUT, YOU
  • BOONDOGGLE, AND THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HAVING RAILED
  • KNOW, I MEAN, HAVING RAILED ABOUT GOVERNMENT OVERREACH FOR
  • ABOUT GOVERNMENT OVERREACH FOR YEARS, SITTING IN THE ROOM WITH
  • YEARS, SITTING IN THE ROOM WITH THE PRESIDENT WHO IS THREATENING
  • THE PRESIDENT WHO IS THREATENING TO THE CLAIRE A
  • TO THE CLAIRE A TO DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
  • TO DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MUST SOUND
  • THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MUST SOUND LIKE TO CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS
  • LIKE TO CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS WHO CLAIM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT
  • WHO CLAIM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW AND
  • THE RULE OF LAW AND CONSTITUTIONAL BALANCE BETWEEN
  • CONSTITUTIONAL BALANCE BETWEEN THE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.
  • THE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. >> I ASSUME THAT THE PRESIDENT
  • >> I ASSUME THAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS GOING
  • KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO AS SOON AS HE HEARD THE NO
  • TO DO AS SOON AS HE HEARD THE NO FROM NANCY PELOSI THAT HE KNEW
  • FROM NANCY PELOSI THAT HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO HEAR, AND THE
  • HE WAS GOING TO HEAR, AND THE BEST HE FIGURED HE HAD TODAY
  • BEST HE FIGURED HE HAD TODAY WAS, I’LL GO OUT AND I’LL TWEET
  • WAS, I’LL GO OUT AND I’LL TWEET THAT I WALKED OUT ON NANCY
  • THAT I WALKED OUT ON NANCY PELOSI AND RUSH LIMBAUGH’S GONNA
  • PELOSI AND RUSH LIMBAUGH’S GONNA LOVE THAT.
  • LOVE THAT. >> YES, THAT’S SORT OF PRO TOE
  • >> YES, THAT’S SORT OF PRO TOE TYPICAL TRUMP STAGECRAFT HOIP..
  • TYPICAL TRUMP STAGECRAFT HOIP.. PART OF WHAT HE’S TRYING TO DO
  • PART OF WHAT HE’S TRYING TO DO IS AT LEAST SHOW THERE IS SOME
  • IS AT LEAST SHOW THERE IS SOME TALK OR PROGRESS HAPPENING FROM
  • TALK OR PROGRESS HAPPENING FROM HIS VANTAGE POINT.
  • HIS VANTAGE POINT. HE HAS TO AT LEAST SHOW THAT
  • HE HAS TO AT LEAST SHOW THAT THINGS ARE MOVING, WHETHER
  • THINGS ARE MOVING, WHETHER THEY’RE MOVING IN A DIRECTION OR
  • THEY’RE MOVING IN A DIRECTION OR COMPROMISE OR AGITATION OR
  • COMPROMISE OR AGITATION OR CONFRONTATION, THEY HAVE TO BE
  • CONFRONTATION, THEY HAVE TO BE MOVING, OTHERWISE THE FOCUS
  • MOVING, OTHERWISE THE FOCUS COMES SQUARELY ON HIM.
  • COMES SQUARELY ON HIM. SO CALLING PEOPLE UP TO THE
  • SO CALLING PEOPLE UP TO THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN YOU KNOW THE
  • WHITE HOUSE WHEN YOU KNOW THE OUTCOME IS SOMETHING THAT HE HAS
  • OUTCOME IS SOMETHING THAT HE HAS TO DO.
  • TO DO. I WILL SAY THIS, THOUGH, WE’RE
  • I WILL SAY THIS, THOUGH, WE’RE PUTTING A PREPONDERANCE OF
  • PUTTING A PREPONDERANCE OF ATTENTION ON TRUMP AND PELOSI.
  • ATTENTION ON TRUMP AND PELOSI. AT THE TOP OF YOUR MONOLOGUE,
  • AT THE TOP OF YOUR MONOLOGUE, YOU MADE A VALID POINT, THE
  • YOU MADE A VALID POINT, THE CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS HOLD AN
  • CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS HOLD AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF POWER IN THIS
  • IMMENSE AMOUNT OF POWER IN THIS NEGOTIATION.
  • NEGOTIATION. PELOSI IS JUST ONE OF TWO.
  • PELOSI IS JUST ONE OF TWO. THE OTHER IS MITCH McCONNELL.
  • THE OTHER IS MITCH McCONNELL. AT ANY MOMENT IN TIME MITCH
  • AT ANY MOMENT IN TIME MITCH McCONNELL CAN JUST SAY, I’VE HAD
  • McCONNELL CAN JUST SAY, I’VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS AND I’LL LET IT
  • ENOUGH OF THIS AND I’LL LET IT GO TO THE FLOOR AND I WILL
  • GO TO THE FLOOR AND I WILL LIKELY GET ENOUGH VOTES TO
  • LIKELY GET ENOUGH VOTES TO OVERRIDE A PRESIDENTIAL VETO AND
  • OVERRIDE A PRESIDENTIAL VETO AND WE’LL BE DONE WITH THIS.
  • WE’LL BE DONE WITH THIS. MITCH McCONNELL HAS NOTABLY
  • MITCH McCONNELL HAS NOTABLY STAYED VERY FAR AWAY FROM THE
  • STAYED VERY FAR AWAY FROM THE DEBATE.
  • DEBATE. WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE MOST
  • WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE MOST INTERESTING ELEMENT TODAY WAS
  • INTERESTING ELEMENT TODAY WAS NOT TRUMP GETTING UP AND WALKING
  • NOT TRUMP GETTING UP AND WALKING OUT ON NANCY PELOSI, I THOUGHT
  • OUT ON NANCY PELOSI, I THOUGHT IT WAS MITCH McCONNELL YET AGAIN
  • IT WAS MITCH McCONNELL YET AGAIN NOT GOING OUT WITH REPUBLICANS
  • NOT GOING OUT WITH REPUBLICANS AFTER THAT CONFRONTATION TO TALK
  • AFTER THAT CONFRONTATION TO TALK TO THE CAMERAS BECAUSE HE REALLY
  • TO THE CAMERAS BECAUSE HE REALLY CLEARLY WANTS NO PART OF THIS
  • CLEARLY WANTS NO PART OF THIS NEGOTIATION.
  • NEGOTIATION. >> THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS
  • >> THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SEEING IN THOSE -- WHEN THEY
  • SEEING IN THOSE -- WHEN THEY WEBSITE OUT
  • WEBSITE OUT WENT OUT TO THE CAMERAS
  • WENT OUT TO THE CAMERAS AFTERWARDS, NO MITCH McCONNELL.
  • AFTERWARDS, NO MITCH McCONNELL. THAT’S WHAT I WAS SEEING THERE.
  • THAT’S WHAT I WAS SEEING THERE. JOHN HEILEMANN, SAM IS SO RIGHT
  • JOHN HEILEMANN, SAM IS SO RIGHT ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS.
  • ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. McCONNELL HAS BEEN VERY CAREFUL
  • McCONNELL HAS BEEN VERY CAREFUL IN HIS LANGUAGE.
  • IN HIS LANGUAGE. PEOPLE ARE REPORTING TO HAVE
  • PEOPLE ARE REPORTING TO HAVE SAID -- TO SAY REPEATEDLY HE
  • SAID -- TO SAY REPEATEDLY HE WILL NOT BRING UP A BILL UNLESS.
  • WILL NOT BRING UP A BILL UNLESS. HE’S NOT SAYING THAT.
  • HE’S NOT SAYING THAT. HE’S SAYING THINGS LIKE IT’S NOT
  • HE’S SAYING THINGS LIKE IT’S NOT REALISTIC TO BRING UP.
  • REALISTIC TO BRING UP. IT COULD BE REALISTIC TOMORROW
  • IT COULD BE REALISTIC TOMORROW AFTERNOON OR IT COULD BE
  • AFTERNOON OR IT COULD BE REALISTIC MONDAY, SO MITCH
  • REALISTIC MONDAY, SO MITCH McCONNELL’S LANGUAGE IN
  • McCONNELL’S LANGUAGE IN EVERYTHING I SEE HIM SAY LEAVES
  • EVERYTHING I SEE HIM SAY LEAVES HIM THE OPENING THAT AS SAM
  • HIM THE OPENING THAT AS SAM SUGGESTS COULD COME AT ANY
  • SUGGESTS COULD COME AT ANY MOMENT WHERE THERE’S ENOUGH
  • MOMENT WHERE THERE’S ENOUGH REPUBLICAN SUPPORT IN THE SENATE
  • REPUBLICAN SUPPORT IN THE SENATE WHERE HE JUST MOVES AND ENDS
  • WHERE HE JUST MOVES AND ENDS THIS THING.
  • THIS THING. AND THERE’S -- IN ADDITION TO
  • AND THERE’S -- IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT MITCH McCONNELL
  • THE FACT THAT MITCH McCONNELL HAD NOTHING TO SAY PUBLICLY
  • HAD NOTHING TO SAY PUBLICLY OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE, THERE
  • OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE, THERE IS A REPORT INDICATING HE HAS
  • IS A REPORT INDICATING HE HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY IN THE
  • ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY IN THE ROOM WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS IN
  • ROOM WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS IN THE ROOM TALKING TO CHUCK
  • THE ROOM TALKING TO CHUCK SCHUMER AND NANCY PELOSI, AND
  • SCHUMER AND NANCY PELOSI, AND THAT’S JUST INCONCEIVABLE.
  • THAT’S JUST INCONCEIVABLE. >> YES.
  • >> YES. >> THAT THE SENATE MAJORITY
  • >> THAT THE SENATE MAJORITY LEADER WOULD BE IN THE ROOM WITH
  • LEADER WOULD BE IN THE ROOM WITH THE SPEAKER AND THE PRESIDENT
  • THE SPEAKER AND THE PRESIDENT AND NOT SAY A WORD.
  • AND NOT SAY A WORD. >> WELL, I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK
  • >> WELL, I MEAN, LOOK, I THINK HE’S STILL OBVIOUSLY FEELING
  • HE’S STILL OBVIOUSLY FEELING BURNED BY THE WAY THE PRESIDENT
  • BURNED BY THE WAY THE PRESIDENT HAS HANDLED THIS ENTIRE THING
  • HAS HANDLED THIS ENTIRE THING AND DOESN’T WANT TO GET BURNED
  • AND DOESN’T WANT TO GET BURNED AGAIN.
  • AGAIN. BUT, LOOK, I MEAN, I DO THINK WE
  • BUT, LOOK, I MEAN, I DO THINK WE ARE COMING QUICKLY -- IF YOU
  • ARE COMING QUICKLY -- IF YOU LISTEN TO THE TEN OR OF THE
  • LISTEN TO THE TEN OR OF THE REPORTING THAT WAS COMING OUT
  • REPORTING THAT WAS COMING OUT FROM THE HILL OVER THE COURSE OF
  • FROM THE HILL OVER THE COURSE OF THIS DAY AND YOU STARTED TO HEAR
  • THIS DAY AND YOU STARTED TO HEAR REPUBLICANS, EVEN BEFORE THE
  • REPUBLICANS, EVEN BEFORE THE PELOSI AND SCHUMER MEETING WHERE
  • PELOSI AND SCHUMER MEETING WHERE TRUMP WALKED OUT, EVEN BEFORE
  • TRUMP WALKED OUT, EVEN BEFORE THAT, YOU WERE STARTING TO HEAR
  • THAT, YOU WERE STARTING TO HEAR THIS AIMIENT NOISE OF
  • THIS AIMIENT NOISE OF REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL SAY,
  • REPUBLICANS ON CAPITOL HILL SAY, WELL, THERE IS REALLY ONLY ONE
  • WELL, THERE IS REALLY ONLY ONE WAY OUT OF THIS.
  • WAY OUT OF THIS. THE ONLY WAY OUT IS FOR TRUMP TO
  • THE ONLY WAY OUT IS FOR TRUMP TO DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
  • DECLARE A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. AND THEN AFTER THE PELOSI
  • AND THEN AFTER THE PELOSI MEETING YOU HEARD THAT VOLUME
  • MEETING YOU HEARD THAT VOLUME WAS AMPLIFIED TO SOME EXTENT.
  • WAS AMPLIFIED TO SOME EXTENT. YOU’RE NOW STARTING TO HEAR FROM
  • YOU’RE NOW STARTING TO HEAR FROM REPUBLICANS, MOST OF THEM NOT ON
  • REPUBLICANS, MOST OF THEM NOT ON THE RECORD, BUT IT’S THE -- AS I
  • THE RECORD, BUT IT’S THE -- AS I SAID, THE AIMIENT NOISE IS ROBS
  • SAID, THE AIMIENT NOISE IS ROBS STARTING TO REALIZE THE ONLY WAY
  • STARTING TO REALIZE THE ONLY WAY OUT IS THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY.
  • OUT IS THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY. AND I DO THINK, LAWRENCE, THE
  • AND I DO THINK, LAWRENCE, THE POINT THAT YOU AND SAM BOTH JUST
  • POINT THAT YOU AND SAM BOTH JUST MADE THROWS INTO VERY STARK
  • MADE THROWS INTO VERY STARK RELIEF THE CHOICE THAT
  • RELIEF THE CHOICE THAT REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO FACE IN
  • REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO FACE IN THE COMING DAYS.
  • THE COMING DAYS. TRUMP IS CLEARLY MOVING IN THAT
  • TRUMP IS CLEARLY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, AND SO THE QUESTION
  • DIRECTION, AND SO THE QUESTION FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS
  • FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS GOING TO BE, ARE YOU GOING TO
  • GOING TO BE, ARE YOU GOING TO ACQUIESCE INTO THAT KIND OF
  • ACQUIESCE INTO THAT KIND OF ACTION, WHICH IS TRULY THE ACT
  • ACTION, WHICH IS TRULY THE ACT OF AN AUTOCRAT.
  • OF AN AUTOCRAT. ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT AND
  • ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT AND EMBRACE THE NOTION THAT THE ONLY
  • EMBRACE THE NOTION THAT THE ONLY WAY OUT IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY
  • WAY OUT IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY DECLARATION BY THE PRESIDENT
  • DECLARATION BY THE PRESIDENT WHERE HE USURPS ALL KINDS OF
  • WHERE HE USURPS ALL KINDS OF POWERS AND ACTS IN THIS KIND OF
  • POWERS AND ACTS IN THIS KIND OF UNPRECEDENTED -- NOT TOTALLY
  • UNPRECEDENTED -- NOT TOTALLY UNPRECEDENTED BUT CERTAINLY
  • UNPRECEDENTED BUT CERTAINLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL, EXTRA
  • UNCONSTITUTIONAL, EXTRA CONSTITUTIONAL WAY.
  • CONSTITUTIONAL WAY. OR ARE YOU GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE
  • OR ARE YOU GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE OF COURSE IS ANOTHER
  • THAT THERE OF COURSE IS ANOTHER WAY OUT AND THAT IS TO BEHAVE
  • WAY OUT AND THAT IS TO BEHAVE LIKE RESPONSIBLE LEGISLATORS AND
  • LIKE RESPONSIBLE LEGISLATORS AND TAKE THE VOTE YOU TOOK AGAIN A
  • TAKE THE VOTE YOU TOOK AGAIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND AS YOU
  • COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND AS YOU SAY WOULD PROBABLY PASS AT THIS
  • SAY WOULD PROBABLY PASS AT THIS POINT BY VETO-PROOF MARGINS.
  • POINT BY VETO-PROOF MARGINS. >> CHARLIE, POLLING
  • >> CHARLIE, POLLING OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST PRESIDENT
  • OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS ON THE
  • TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS ON THE SHUTDOWN.
  • SHUTDOWN. WE HAVE AN ECONOMIST POLL SAYING
  • WE HAVE AN ECONOMIST POLL SAYING WHO IS MOST TO BLAME FOR THE
  • WHO IS MOST TO BLAME FOR THE SHUTDOWN.
  • SHUTDOWN. OBVIOUSLY MOST PEOPLE SAY DONALD
  • OBVIOUSLY MOST PEOPLE SAY DONALD TRUMP, 50%.
  • TRUMP, 50%. ANOTHER 5% SAY REPUBLICANS.
  • ANOTHER 5% SAY REPUBLICANS. SO THERE YOU HAVE 55% WITH TRUMP
  • SO THERE YOU HAVE 55% WITH TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS.
  • AND THE REPUBLICANS. 32% DEMOCRATS.
  • 32% DEMOCRATS. AND THAT 32% DEMOCRATS IS REALLY
  • AND THAT 32% DEMOCRATS IS REALLY EVERY TRUMP VOTER IN THE COUNTRY
  • EVERY TRUMP VOTER IN THE COUNTRY AT THIS POINT.
  • AT THIS POINT. >> YEAH.
  • >> YEAH. >> PRESUMABLY.
  • >> PRESUMABLY. BUT, CHARLIE, TO JOHN’S POINT,
  • BUT, CHARLIE, TO JOHN’S POINT, THE EMERGENCY SAVES WEAK
  • THE EMERGENCY SAVES WEAK SENATORS FROM EXACTLY WHAT THEY
  • SENATORS FROM EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO BE SAVED FROM, WHICH IS
  • WANT TO BE SAVED FROM, WHICH IS ANY KIND OF VOTE THAT IS
  • ANY KIND OF VOTE THAT IS AWKWARD.
  • AWKWARD. THE EMERGENCY THEY KNOW WOULD BE
  • THE EMERGENCY THEY KNOW WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY CHALLENGED IN COURT,
  • IMMEDIATELY CHALLENGED IN COURT, JUST LIKE THE TRUMP MUSLIM BAN,
  • JUST LIKE THE TRUMP MUSLIM BAN, PROBABLY GET AN INJUNCTION
  • PROBABLY GET AN INJUNCTION AGAINST IT IN FEDERAL COURT
  • AGAINST IT IN FEDERAL COURT VERY, VERY QUICKLY, AND THE BALL
  • VERY, VERY QUICKLY, AND THE BALL HAS LEFT THE SENATE AND MITCH
  • HAS LEFT THE SENATE AND MITCH McCONNELL COULD KIND OF GO ON
  • McCONNELL COULD KIND OF GO ON WITH BUSINESS.
  • WITH BUSINESS. >> WELL, THINK ABOUT THAT,
  • >> WELL, THINK ABOUT THAT, THOUGH, THAT THE ONLY ENDGAME
  • THOUGH, THAT THE ONLY ENDGAME THAT THEY CAN ENVISION INVOLVES
  • THAT THEY CAN ENVISION INVOLVES BASICALLY OVERRIDING THE
  • BASICALLY OVERRIDING THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.
  • LEGISLATIVE PROCESS. >> YEAH.
  • >> YEAH. YEAH.
  • YEAH. >> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS
  • >> THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY
  • GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY COULD DO EXACTLY WHAT JOHN
  • COULD DO EXACTLY WHAT JOHN DESCRIBES AND MITCH McCONNELL,
  • DESCRIBES AND MITCH McCONNELL, YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK OF HIS
  • YOU KNOW, IN THE BACK OF HIS MIND, HE ALWAYS WANTS TO HAVE AN
  • MIND, HE ALWAYS WANTS TO HAVE AN END GAME, BUT FOR THE END GAME
  • END GAME, BUT FOR THE END GAME TO BE THE DECLARATION OF A
  • TO BE THE DECLARATION OF A NATIONAL EMERGENCY AND THE
  • NATIONAL EMERGENCY AND THE TRANSFER OF BILLIONS OF DEFENSE
  • TRANSFER OF BILLIONS OF DEFENSE DEPARTMENT DOLLARS TO THE WALL,
  • DEPARTMENT DOLLARS TO THE WALL, FOR THEM TO THINK THAT, OKAY,
  • FOR THEM TO THINK THAT, OKAY, WE’LL DO THAT BECAUSE THE COURTS
  • WE’LL DO THAT BECAUSE THE COURTS WILL PROBABLY THROW IT OUT, BUT
  • WILL PROBABLY THROW IT OUT, BUT THE PRECEDENT IS JUST HORRIBLE.
  • THE PRECEDENT IS JUST HORRIBLE. THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS,
  • THIS IS A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS, AND IT IS JUST AN INDICATION,
  • AND IT IS JUST AN INDICATION, AGAIN, OF THE PRICE THEY ARE
  • AGAIN, OF THE PRICE THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE ACQUIESCENCE TO
  • PAYING FOR THE ACQUIESCENCE TO DONALD TRUMP AND THE ENABLING OF
  • DONALD TRUMP AND THE ENABLING OF DONALD TRUMP.
  • DONALD TRUMP. LOOK, THOSE POLL NUMBERS ARE BAD
  • LOOK, THOSE POLL NUMBERS ARE BAD TODAY.
  • TODAY. THEY’RE GOING TO BE A LOT WORSE
  • THEY’RE GOING TO BE A LOT WORSE AS I THINK THE DAMAGE FROM THE
  • AS I THINK THE DAMAGE FROM THE SHUTDOWN BECOMES CLEARER, AS THE
  • SHUTDOWN BECOMES CLEARER, AS THE COST BECOMES CLEARER.
  • COST BECOMES CLEARER. I ALSO THINK WHEN PEOPLE BEGIN
  • I ALSO THINK WHEN PEOPLE BEGIN TO THINK THROUGH THE CONCEPT OF
  • TO THINK THROUGH THE CONCEPT OF DECLARING A NATIONAL DEFENSE
  • DECLARING A NATIONAL DEFENSE EMERGENCY ON THE BORDER, I THINK
  • EMERGENCY ON THE BORDER, I THINK THERE’S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS
  • THERE’S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS BACKLASH TO THAT AS WELL.
  • BACKLASH TO THAT AS WELL. >> SAM STEIN, ANYONE WHO KNOWS
  • >> SAM STEIN, ANYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY THE ARMY
  • ANYTHING ABOUT THE WAY THE ARMY CORE OF ENGINEERS, THE DEFENSE
  • CORE OF ENGINEERS, THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT SPENDS MONEY, DOES
  • DEPARTMENT SPENDS MONEY, DOES CONSTRUCTION, BUILDING THINGS,
  • CONSTRUCTION, BUILDING THINGS, ESPECIALLY THINGS THAT REQUIRE
  • ESPECIALLY THINGS THAT REQUIRE PERMITS, WHICH A LOT OF THEIR
  • PERMITS, WHICH A LOT OF THEIR STUFF DOESN’T IF IT’S BEING DONE
  • STUFF DOESN’T IF IT’S BEING DONE IN COMBAT ZONES, SAY IN
  • IN COMBAT ZONES, SAY IN AFGHANISTAN --
  • AFGHANISTAN -- >> SURE.
  • >> SURE. >> IF YOU’RE TRYING TO BUILD
  • >> IF YOU’RE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING IN TEXAS AND YOU ARE
  • SOMETHING IN TEXAS AND YOU ARE THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, YOU ARE
  • THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT, YOU ARE A MINIMUM, IF YOU’RE COMPLETELY
  • A MINIMUM, IF YOU’RE COMPLETELY UNOBSTRUCTED BY THE POLITICAL
  • UNOBSTRUCTED BY THE POLITICAL PROCESS OR BY COURTS, YOU’RE A
  • PROCESS OR BY COURTS, YOU’RE A MINIMUM OF OVER A YEAR AWAY FROM
  • MINIMUM OF OVER A YEAR AWAY FROM A SHOVEL HITTING ANY DIRT
  • A SHOVEL HITTING ANY DIRT ANYWHERE IN TEXAS ON THE BORDER
  • ANYWHERE IN TEXAS ON THE BORDER TO BUILD THIS WALL.
  • TO BUILD THIS WALL. >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
  • >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT’S NOT EVEN MENTIONING
  • AND THAT’S NOT EVEN MENTIONING THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY
  • THE FACT THAT YOU ARE PROBABLY USURPING AND TAKING THE EMINENT
  • USURPING AND TAKING THE EMINENT DOMAIN LAND FROM PRIVATE
  • DOMAIN LAND FROM PRIVATE RANCHERS WHO DON’T WANT ANYTHING
  • RANCHERS WHO DON’T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
  • TO DO WITH THIS. YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST
  • YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST ONE LEGAL FIGHT BUT MANY, MANY
  • ONE LEGAL FIGHT BUT MANY, MANY LEGAL FIGHTS SPANNING ACROSS
  • LEGAL FIGHTS SPANNING ACROSS NUMEROUS JURISDICTIONS.
  • NUMEROUS JURISDICTIONS. AND ALL OF THIS, OF COURSE, IS
  • AND ALL OF THIS, OF COURSE, IS NOT TO MENTION THAT WE WERE
  • NOT TO MENTION THAT WE WERE PROMISED AT THE VERY BEGINNING
  • PROMISED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS THAT MEXICO WOULD PAY
  • OF THIS THAT MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR THIS WALL.
  • FOR THIS WALL. SO I’M NOT ENTIRELY SURE THAT A
  • SO I’M NOT ENTIRELY SURE THAT A NATIONAL EMERGENCY IS IN THE
  • NATIONAL EMERGENCY IS IN THE BEST POLITICAL INTERESTS FOR
  • BEST POLITICAL INTERESTS FOR TRUMP.
  • TRUMP. IT CREATES A WHOLE HOST OF
  • IT CREATES A WHOLE HOST OF POLITICAL AND LEGAL PROBLEMS.
  • POLITICAL AND LEGAL PROBLEMS. IT UNDERSCORES HOW HOLLOW HIS
  • IT UNDERSCORES HOW HOLLOW HIS INITIAL CAMPAIGN PROMISE WAS,
  • INITIAL CAMPAIGN PROMISE WAS, AND A LITTLE BIT NUANCED HERE,
  • AND A LITTLE BIT NUANCED HERE, BUT I HAPPEN TO THINK HE LIKES
  • BUT I HAPPEN TO THINK HE LIKES HAVING THE ISSUE OF THE WALL AS
  • HAVING THE ISSUE OF THE WALL AS A POLITICAL CUDGEL.
  • A POLITICAL CUDGEL. I DON’T -- I THINK PART OF HIM
  • I DON’T -- I THINK PART OF HIM WISHES IT WAS STILL OUT THERE
  • WISHES IT WAS STILL OUT THERE GOING INTO THE 2020 ELECTIONS
  • GOING INTO THE 2020 ELECTIONS AND THAT MIGHT BE GIVING HIM
  • AND THAT MIGHT BE GIVING HIM SOME HESITATION ABOUT DECLARING
  • SOME HESITATION ABOUT DECLARING THIS NATIONAL EMERGENCY, TOO.
  • THIS NATIONAL EMERGENCY, TOO. >> SAM, YOU’VE JUST HIT ON A
  • >> SAM, YOU’VE JUST HIT ON A THEORY THAT HAS BEEN ADVANCED BY
  • THEORY THAT HAS BEEN ADVANCED BY EZRA KLEIN.
  • EZRA KLEIN. EZRA’S GOING TO JOIN US LATER IN
  • EZRA’S GOING TO JOIN US LATER IN THE SHOW WITH EXACTLY THAT CASE,
  • THE SHOW WITH EXACTLY THAT CASE, THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T
  • THAT DONALD TRUMP DOESN’T ACTUALLY WANT THE WALL, HE WANTS

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Nancy Pelosi and Democrats held their position today- a firm no to the wall- while Donald Trump went to the Capitol to implore Republican lawmakers to hold his position to continue the shutdown. Lawrence discusses with Sam Stein, John Heilemann and Charlie Sykes.
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